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dwpaddy
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 Posted - 28/02/2012 : 13:46:37
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recommendations if you will.
Basically my own wedge.
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thebeaver
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dwpaddy
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scoobydude
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:21:32
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I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA. It's only a couple of cables extra and it does keep the volume down nicely. However, if that's not up your street (for whatever reason), I heartily recommend these, for the price they're brilliant. We have two and they've never gone wrong, and they're plenty loud enough.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_ma120_mk_ii.htm |
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thebeaver
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:23:42
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| Well the band would need to be mic'd up whether you used a wedge or a mixer. You have the advantage though that if you use a mixer you could take along your own (reasonably cheap) condenser mic, stick it on the stage somewhere discrete and nobody needs to be mic'd at all and you'd still get a nice mix in your cans! |
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dwpaddy
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Ireland
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:29:27
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA. It's only a couple of cables extra and it does keep the volume down nicely. However, if that's not up your street (for whatever reason), I heartily recommend these, for the price they're brilliant. We have two and they've never gone wrong, and they're plenty loud enough.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_ma120_mk_ii.htm
looks good mate...thank you.
they banjos are not mic'd so iem's are out of the question. |
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dwpaddy
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:31:06
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quote:
Originally posted by thebeaver
Well the band would need to be mic'd up whether you used a wedge or a mixer. You have the advantage though that if you use a mixer you could take along your own (reasonably cheap) condenser mic, stick it on the stage somewhere discrete and nobody needs to be mic'd at all and you'd still get a nice mix in your cans!
If I'm honest, I really only need to be aware of them. Once I can hear vox and my bass drum (which I dont always) then I'm fine.
I think the wedge is the way forward.
thanks a lot for your help matey. |
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scoobydude
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:31:41
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Originally posted by thebeaver
Well the band would need to be mic'd up whether you used a wedge or a mixer. You have the advantage though that if you use a mixer you could take along your own (reasonably cheap) condenser mic, stick it on the stage somewhere discrete and nobody needs to be mic'd at all and you'd still get a nice mix in your cans!
Why would the rest of the band need to be miced up? |
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beezerk
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:38:57
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA. It's only a couple of cables extra and it does keep the volume down nicely. However, if that's not up your street (for whatever reason), I heartily recommend these, for the price they're brilliant. We have two and they've never gone wrong, and they're plenty loud enough.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_ma120_mk_ii.htm
looks good mate...thank you.
they banjos are not mic'd so iem's are out of the question.
They still go through the desk don't they or do they look after the sound themselves?
Either way you're going to need a signal to the monitor or mixer regardless. |
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thebeaver
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:39:33
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| .... so you could hear them? |
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scoobydude
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:46:34
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Originally posted by thebeaver
.... so you could hear them?
Only if you need to run the guitars through the PA. If you only use the PA for voclas (as quite a large proportion of bands do), then adding guitars to it would be overkill. |
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moosetication
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:52:38
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA.
And I use IEMs too, and no the whole band does not need to be in the PA. Even with custom moulded sleeves the isolation is not perfect, and there's plenty of on-stage bleed into vocal mics that will make it into your mix. After that, you can sling up a spare mic to pick up ambient sound.
Any drummer considering a monitoring purchase right now buying a wedge, which just adds to the uncontrollable din that will eventually take your hearing (and possibly your sanity) is a bloody idiot. In, it goes without saying, my opinion. |
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dwpaddy
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 14:55:45
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Originally posted by moosetication
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA.
And I use IEMs too, and no the whole band does not need to be in the PA. Even with custom moulded sleeves the isolation is not perfect, and there's plenty of on-stage bleed into vocal mics that will make it into your mix. After that, you can sling up a spare mic to pick up ambient sound.
Any drummer considering a monitoring purchase right now buying a wedge, which just adds to the uncontrollable din that will eventually take your hearing (and possibly your sanity) is a bloody idiot. In, it goes without saying, my opinion.
Well I never....... |
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thebeaver
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 15:00:02
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Originally posted by scoobydude
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Originally posted by thebeaver
.... so you could hear them?
Only if you need to run the guitars through the PA. If you only use the PA for voclas (as quite a large proportion of bands do), then adding guitars to it would be overkill.
Oh right I see what you're saying. I was assuming DWP wanted all of the band in the wedge and complete control, not just vocals. Yeah as Moose was saying you can have that same "ambient effect" to catch the less important stuff and only the vocals in your in ears to get a great sound. Just means the vocals in your cans can be really quiet and still come out crystal clear whilst you can still hear the rest of the unmic'ed band - only quieter, and safer! |
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scoobydude
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 15:01:06
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
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Originally posted by moosetication
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA.
And I use IEMs too, and no the whole band does not need to be in the PA. Even with custom moulded sleeves the isolation is not perfect, and there's plenty of on-stage bleed into vocal mics that will make it into your mix. After that, you can sling up a spare mic to pick up ambient sound.
Any drummer considering a monitoring purchase right now buying a wedge, which just adds to the uncontrollable din that will eventually take your hearing (and possibly your sanity) is a bloody idiot. In, it goes without saying, my opinion.
Well I never.......
I stand corrected, this way would work. However I prefer to just put everything in the mixer (which sits next to me anyway) and I get a really good mix of everything. If you're more comfortable with a wedge use one, it's nobody's business but yours. |
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dwpaddy
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 16:03:29
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Originally posted by scoobydude
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
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Originally posted by moosetication
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA.
And I use IEMs too, and no the whole band does not need to be in the PA. Even with custom moulded sleeves the isolation is not perfect, and there's plenty of on-stage bleed into vocal mics that will make it into your mix. After that, you can sling up a spare mic to pick up ambient sound.
Any drummer considering a monitoring purchase right now buying a wedge, which just adds to the uncontrollable din that will eventually take your hearing (and possibly your sanity) is a bloody idiot. In, it goes without saying, my opinion.
Well I never.......
I stand corrected, this way would work. However I prefer to just put everything in the mixer (which sits next to me anyway) and I get a really good mix of everything. If you're more comfortable with a wedge use one, it's nobody's business but yours.
Your band has a great set list mate.
(except M/Sally and Johnny B.....hate them 2 songs) |
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scoobydude
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 16:53:35
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
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Originally posted by scoobydude
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
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Originally posted by moosetication
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Originally posted by scoobydude
I use IEM's and yes, the whole band needs to be in the PA.
And I use IEMs too, and no the whole band does not need to be in the PA. Even with custom moulded sleeves the isolation is not perfect, and there's plenty of on-stage bleed into vocal mics that will make it into your mix. After that, you can sling up a spare mic to pick up ambient sound.
Any drummer considering a monitoring purchase right now buying a wedge, which just adds to the uncontrollable din that will eventually take your hearing (and possibly your sanity) is a bloody idiot. In, it goes without saying, my opinion.
Well I never.......
I stand corrected, this way would work. However I prefer to just put everything in the mixer (which sits next to me anyway) and I get a really good mix of everything. If you're more comfortable with a wedge use one, it's nobody's business but yours.
Your band has a great set list mate.
(except M/Sally and Johnny B.....hate them 2 songs)
Well thank you for saying, TBH we only keep those in for weddings (but they always go down a storm). The list on the site is only some of what we play, as we're always doing new stuff, and we're too lazy to change the list. It should give you an idea of what we're about though. |
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Prog
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 16:57:53
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I will never, ever use a monitor speaker again.
That is all. |
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dwpaddy
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 17:10:49
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I will never, ever use a monitor speaker again.
That is all.
I dont really see that I have a choice though.
Still looking for the solution though. |
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moosetication
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thebeaver
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 17:14:19
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| Paddy you do still get the natural ambience of stage sound when using in ear monitors, it's just a lot clearer and quieter. If you then put vocals or whatever you want in the mix you only have to put them in real quiet to get a nice mix. It is a tidier, more controlled and safer way of doing the same thing. |
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Zimmo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 19:26:11
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We use one of these, plus another unpowered of the same make, at the front of the stage and only put vocals back through.
http://www.theaudioworksuk.com/wharfedale-pro-evp-x15pm-400w-professional-active-stage-monitor.html
The powered one is quite heavy, but being a 15" speaker you get a "bigger" sound which I guess would be an advatage if you want to put your bass drum through it.
In the past, I have used an unpowered moniter, with a volume control, and linked it straight to one of the PA speakers. You then get everything that you send out thru' the PA. Just need to check the ratings on your amp/speakers
FWIW I had a go with an IEM system but I found it made be feel a bit distant from the band....
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Ramrod
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 19:31:56
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Our band went down the IEM route a couple of years back - primarily to cut down on the amount of gear we lug around and reduce our 'footprint' as we're often crammed into tight corners of venues.
It took me a good few gigs to get used to them, I just couldn't get on with the level, feel and feeling of isolation whilst using them.
A little while later we played a short slot at a festival where we weren't able to use IEM's (soundman couldn't be arsed I think)... It was horrible going back to playing with wedges.
I wouldn't be without them now, you know it makes sense Dave.... |
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dwpaddy
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 20:43:05
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I just have to work the system out.
The rest of the band aren't into IEM's....just me.
So as soon as I start on about them they lose interest and just keep on about a wedge. They've even offered to buy it from the kitty. |
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moosetication
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 21:14:14
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When are your next couple of gigs nearer to me, shortlegs? I'll happily(*) toddle along with my Shure IEMs (with fresh new sleeves) and a wedge monitor and you can play one set with each.
(*) For some values of "happily" |
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Prog
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 21:16:07
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
The rest of the band aren't into IEM's....just me.
My lot were like that but now the guitarist has opted for IEMs and the other two are seriously considering them. |
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MustangMick
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danreynolds
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 21:27:45
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in the interest of actually answering the question...
i sometimes use a mackie srm350. it's a 10" driver with plenty of balls. it's not harsh though so you can keep the volume quite nicely down. i also use a tiny little wharfedale titan 8a. it's super light and i mount it up high so i can have it closer to my head. that way i can turn it right down. thus, ears saved! probably... |
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stakka
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 22:59:56
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IEM's fed by H2 recorder. Works and saves your hearing.
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moosetication
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Posted - 28/02/2012 : 23:13:18
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Originally posted by danreynolds
in the interest of actually answering the question...
End of the internet as we know it. What the hell were you thinking? |
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danreynolds
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Posted - 29/02/2012 : 00:44:05
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quote:
Originally posted by moosetication
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Originally posted by danreynolds
in the interest of actually answering the question...
End of the internet as we know it. What the hell were you thinking?
i know i know... really should have known better!!!  |
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Steevo114
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Posted - 29/02/2012 : 09:55:25
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I'd like to try the H2 ambient monitoring solution for hearing protection et al. I know it's been mentioned before, but could someone just summarise it for me/us ? - Whats a good affordable set of In ear isolating phones, - do they HAVE to be custom moulded, what are your recommendations? I dont want to use a mixer because of the extra clutter with leads, power leads etc and long set-up times. What are the probems with setting up an ambient mic in say a middle sized pub? (I know it sounds obvious)
I've got some spare birthday cash coming shortly and I might invest in some IEMs at the very least. I experimented with using a Boss micro recorder as a monitoring device with some tight fitting in ear phones but there wasnt enough push for me to hear what was coming through above the band. I'm guessing the H2 puts out more monitoring signal when in recording mode than my Boss does.
Sorry to jump on this thread but it seems relevant to the original question.
Thanks. |
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Prog
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Posted - 29/02/2012 : 10:44:14
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For pure monitoring, any in-ears will do as long as you can hear them.
However, if you want to protect your ears, the better they fit and seal out ambient sound the better. |
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stakka
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Posted - 29/02/2012 : 21:31:52
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Originally posted by Steevo114
I'd like to try the H2 ambient monitoring solution for hearing protection et al. I know it's been mentioned before, but could someone just summarise it for me/us ? - Whats a good affordable set of In ear isolating phones, - do they HAVE to be custom moulded, what are your recommendations? I dont want to use a mixer because of the extra clutter with leads, power leads etc and long set-up times. What are the probems with setting up an ambient mic in say a middle sized pub? (I know it sounds obvious)
I've got some spare birthday cash coming shortly and I might invest in some IEMs at the very least. I experimented with using a Boss micro recorder as a monitoring device with some tight fitting in ear phones but there wasnt enough push for me to hear what was coming through above the band. I'm guessing the H2 puts out more monitoring signal when in recording mode than my Boss does.
Sorry to jump on this thread but it seems relevant to the original question.
Thanks.
I'm working away until the weekend and am restricted to typing on a poxy smart phone but when I get back in front of a proper computational microputery machine I'll try and type up the full findings of my considerable use of a H2 unit - both as a direct feed to iem's and as a fill in ambient mic to a mixing desk monitor feed. Use of the on board compressor on the H2 certainly helps
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thebeaver
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Posted - 29/02/2012 : 22:54:24
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| If you use a H2 for monitoring do you go through a shoyte load of batteries, or does it have a phantom power majigga?! |
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moosetication
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Posted - 29/02/2012 : 23:34:22
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If you use a H2 for monitoring do you go through a shoyte load of batteries, or does it have a phantom power majigga?!
It has a DC power adapter. |
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Steevo114
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 00:18:37
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Originally posted by stakka
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Originally posted by Steevo114
I'd like to try the H2 ambient monitoring solution for hearing protection et al. I know it's been mentioned before, but could someone just summarise it for me/us ? - Whats a good affordable set of In ear isolating phones, - do they HAVE to be custom moulded, what are your recommendations? I dont want to use a mixer because of the extra clutter with leads, power leads etc and long set-up times. What are the probems with setting up an ambient mic in say a middle sized pub? (I know it sounds obvious)
I've got some spare birthday cash coming shortly and I might invest in some IEMs at the very least. I experimented with using a Boss micro recorder as a monitoring device with some tight fitting in ear phones but there wasnt enough push for me to hear what was coming through above the band. I'm guessing the H2 puts out more monitoring signal when in recording mode than my Boss does.
Sorry to jump on this thread but it seems relevant to the original question.
Thanks.
I'm working away until the weekend and am restricted to typing on a poxy smart phone but when I get back in front of a proper computational microputery machine I'll try and type up the full findings of my considerable use of a H2 unit - both as a direct feed to iem's and as a fill in ambient mic to a mixing desk monitor feed. Use of the on board compressor on the H2 certainly helps
Cheers
That would be really interesting, cheers Stakka. |
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thebeaver
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 12:38:32
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Originally posted by thebeaver
If you use a H2 for monitoring do you go through a shoyte load of batteries, or does it have a phantom power majigga?!
It has a DC power adapter.
Hmmm... I thought that would be the case, I wouldnt want to be constraigned by the cord. DO you have any reccomendations like it that would just run off phantom? |
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Dickster
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 12:47:46
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| I'm just moving into this world too and have started by just getting a Stagg (????) powered monitor to see how I get on. Cost me £115 and I'm using it for more home stuff at the mo but will eventually take it to gigs rather than use theirs. I use Elcin ear plugs anyway but at least this was I have a little more control through gigs rather than asking for it to be turned up or down depending on how far the guitarists fiddle through the set.. |
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stakka
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 10:30:36
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Right - I'm now back from the land of hotels and expense accounts......so as promised here's my 2p worth on IEM's and, specifically, using a H2 recorder.
Firstly 2 important notes -
1) I'm just an average drummer in a run of the mill pub / club covers band - so my experience / comments and the expected results gained need to be taken in the right context - I am not stupendously famous rock star just yet but when I am I will probably start spouting the benefits of a full front of house / separate monito engineer & desk set up where I will flounce off away from my drum kit in a huff if my in ear feed is not to the zillionth degree perfect in every aspect ... but back on planet earth where a large number of us drumming mortals exist then we cannot be as picky !
2) I am now starting to experience fairly considerable hearing issues. The small amount of continuous noise / tinnitus is not the real issue - moreso I now find any background noise very distracting in that I stuggle to converse in pubs and, for example, I can't concentrate on the TV if there is the slightest noise elsewhere - I even yell at the family to close doors as the noise of the dishwasher 2 rooms away starts drilling in to my brain - and I get "that look" from them all !  I suspect the noise of loud monitors trying to blast above the sound of drums being hit in close vicinity to my lugs might have something to do with it.
I've gone for ACS custom moulded and 2 years down the line they are still as new, brilliant strong cable design (usually the weakpoint).
I then have 2 ways of using them in conjunction with a Zoom H2 recorder.
1) Direct H2 to IEM's - I mainly use this for practices as it is minimal kit to set up. Plonk the H2 anywhere in the room, set it for 4 channel recording (front & rear / Left & right mics - it has 4 mics) and using an extension lead I plug my in ears direct in to the H2 out socket. I also use the Powered DC adaptor to power the H2 (I never use batteries) ok it is one more cable running to the H2 but that doesn't affect you because it is elsewhere in the room (you just need an available wall socket). By moving the H2 around the room you can get the balance right of the various instruments. As your in ears are not plugged directly in to a desk and the H2 has a compressor / limiter on board you do not need to worry about using a beltpack with a limiter to protect you from feedback. The H2 mics are very sensitive and dynamic and even in a small room with a loud rock band playing at full tilt it easily handles the volumes and there is a 3 stage gain switch which I find a mixture of low or medium to work fine depending on just how loud you are. Stick it to high gain and you will hear what is going in the room next to you  Using the H2's compressor means it will sit on the loud bits just nicely but then bump up conversation between songs so you don't need to keep ripping your in ears out to hear your guitarists mumblings.
Using it this way it gives a perfectly adequate in ear feed that is not brilliant but will pick up all instruments and is just fine for practice sessions or small quieter gigs. It does not interfere with the mixer or PA at all keeping things simple.
2) As an ambient feed in to a desk. If you want a more accurate feed and there is a mixer / larger sound system involved (usually in a gig environment) then I feed the H2 in to the desk and then mix / send it out a specific monitor feed out to a Fischer Belt pack and then on in to my in ears. I also have the vocals and any other mics mixed from the desk and sent the same route. Here the H2 is acting as a very sensitive ambient mic but I find it also picks up the guitars and bass just fine so we do not need to start micing up guitar amps etc. Most of the time there is just vocals going to the desk but the H2 is that sensitive you do get a full sound through to your IEMs (with a bit of strategic placing of the H2) - and as mentioned above you do get enough bleed through the moulds and also the vocal mics pick up enough anyway. I personally cannot see me needing to mic any other instruments up for my monitoring purposes. One important point though - I do strongly recommend using a belt pack with in built limiter if you are plugged direct in to the PA with vocal mics in the system. I have had a belt of feedback deep in to my lugs and it is very unpleasant. The H2 is great in this environment as well as it picks up the crowd noise making you feel a lot less isolated which some can find when they switch to in ears.
On both the above it is worth setting up the H2's on board compressor for the reasons stated and you also benefit from being able to record the gigs / practices as well with a simple puch of a button. Using a beltpack does mean yuo get an even louder signal to your in ears - I usually keep the volume on about a 1/3 - but even without the beltpack acting as an amplifier (as in method 1 above) you will find the H2 easily sensitive and loud enough to feed your in ears direct without any additional amplification. If you find it not loud enough then something else is wrong !!
Now that the H2s are probably becomeing an older product and falling behind the popularity of the camera versions (H2s are audio only) they have come right down in price - I saw some the other day for just over £100. Personally I prefer just having the audio only aspect as the thought of dumping a camera here and there is not such a good thing. You can easily merge the audio of the H2 and a separate video file at a later date if need be.
But for something that is the size of a pack of fags I would not be without my H2 now and thanks to that and my IEMS I can hear the band sound far far better (and with a twist of a knob can turn the volume of the whole world down ) and I come away from practices and gigs far less fatigued and without that god awfull ringing sound in my head.
Big heavy and loud drum monitor ?.... ImHO sorry no !
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Prog
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 11:52:02
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| A right rivetting read. I'm with you on all points, stakka. |
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dwpaddy
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 12:28:59
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Very informative.
We bought another powered monitor for our line up. I wasn't the only one who needed to hear a bit better.
I will continue using my defenders and look more closely at your set-up Stakka.
BTW, I actually have ACS custom moulds, but only the ear plus.
I have spoken to them but they don't have my specs in the data bank. Been too long apparently. |
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stakka
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 14:21:36
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No probs !
Our lead guitaist / singer is now a convert - having used to mock me jokingly (they called me Locutus of the Borg due to all my part human / part wired in to the machine appearance) he suddenly realised "that wasn't the central heating he was hearing whilst trying to get some sleep" and now is the owner of ACS custom moulds and subsequently a H2.
In ears do take a while to get used to and to begin with you end up tearing them out mid gig, but only because yuo maybe just outside that comfort factor us drummers all know and love !
But the fun bit is when you tell them to take out their in ears mid song near the end of a gig.... and you always get that reaction when they realise how loud things really are and what they have been subjecting themselves to |
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Steevo114
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 17:44:59
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Brilliant Stakka, just what we needed. I'm deffo going to get this sorted soon. Need to get the in-ears fitted and bought. Im going to look at ACS and Minerva first.
Thanks again.
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Prog
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 17:51:13
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| ACS Custom IEMs are pretty much unbeatable if they're within budget. |
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Steevo114
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 20:36:07
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So would the T15s from ACS be too much or a compromise? (Universal fitting)
thanks |
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stakka
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 12:51:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Steevo114
So would the T15s from ACS be too much or a compromise? (Universal fitting)
thanks
Looking at the specs they appear to offer good sound reduction and they use the same single drivers as the entry level custom moulded which do a very reasonable job - so the main difference will be just the way they fit in your ears so it is going to be the comfort factor you need to consider Those T15s would hold themselves in your ear canal just like earbuds which is ok but once you get used to the comfort of custom moulded it does make a big difference IMHO - but admittedly some may not want or have the budget for those. |
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Clint C
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Posted - 06/03/2012 : 00:03:15
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Thanks stakka for your informative post. I'm looking for a monitor set up also as I'm on the verge of gigging again after many years out of the music scene. I like your idea of using the H2 Recorder and IEM. Excuse my ignorance but can I please ask will the one in the below link, fed from the mixing desk, serve in a gig environment also?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/fischer_amps_mini_bodypack_mit_lsregler.htm
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