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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03/04/2012 : 16:57:55
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I've got a dilemma. I'm not in the best of health at all, and can see the day rapidly approaching when I'll have to stop drumming permanently. This will definitely be within 2 years at the latest.
I've always fancied a vintage Ludwig kit - blame Joe Morello for that - but have been put off by the price. So now would be the time to go for it, if ever I'm going to do it. Example: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ludwig-Early-1970s-Ludwig-Super-Classic-Silver-Sparkle-3-Ply-Drum-kit-/170812444187?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Drums_Percussions_MJ&hash=item27c5370e1b#ht_500wt_1361
The only way I could afford to do it would be to sell nearly everything I've got, apart from my Ks and Acrolite snare.
I've got a PDP CX 7-shell kit, a Yamaha Dtxpress II, and a Peavey Radial Pro, plus a large Gibraltar rack. I reckon on a good day I could see £300 for the PDP, £200 for the Yam, and goodness knows for the Peavey - somewhere between £200 and £300 probably, plus about £125 for the rack, making at the most £925.
I don't reckon that would quite buy me the 60s 3-shell Luddy that I'd like, so would have to put another couple of hundred into it.
But - at the end of the day, I would have sold a really decent 7-shell maple kit, a useful ekit, and an unusual maple 5-shell kit plus tons of hardware, for 3 old drum shells.
In the early 90s I had a Superclassic kit in charcoal shadow; 10/12/13/16/22 as I recall. I didn't appreciate it then, but wish to goodness I'd kept it, because I wouldn't now have this dilemma (Anyone got a similar kit? I'd love to know where it ended up).
Is it worth it? Would I regret it? What would you do? |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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jimfisher
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 17:10:45
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Hi Nigel, sorry to hear that about your health.
I think I probably would go for it! Sounds like you might just about be able to do it all without it costing you much more, and be the sound of it you're not that attached to the stuff you already have. Not withstanding the Radial kit, the rest of it you could replace with equivalents easily enough if you miss any.
Mind you, I may not be the most qualified to give advice here - my wife is utterly bemused by my gear-buyung antics of late.. I've bought 5 kits in the last year alone... !
J. |
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 17:55:39
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| Very sorry to hear of your problem. If you really do have such limited time to play and fancy a Luddy do not wait one minute longer than necessary, get one and enjoy it to the max! |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 18:29:12
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| Yeah I have a very aggressive form of cancer and time could well be running out; I'll find out more on Thursday. I was diagnosed in 2003 and have managed to keep playing, but it's dragging me down more and more. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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WendyB
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 19:51:12
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| Sorry to hear of your problems Nigel, and your dilemma. Could you sell some of your stuff and perhaps (though I don't normally advocate this sort of thing) get a small, cheap, loan for the balance. Then you could keep your favourite gear and have something you have always wanted, paid off in instalments. Alternatively, look for an interest fee credit card and use it via Paypal. |
I am No 5
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crafty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 20:13:58
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Nigel.
I'd do what it takes to get the Super Classic. If your heart is set on it, do it!
Ed |
Super cool - and bongos too!
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 20:50:40
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| Thanks Wendy, that's certainly a possibility, hadn't though of that. Will investigate. (Ellie left the band, by the way!) |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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theslingerland
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WendyB
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 23:50:18
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Originally posted by nigelsmithson
Thanks Wendy, that's certainly a possibility, hadn't though of that. Will investigate. (Ellie left the band, by the way!)
Did she? Hope she finds another project that suits her. The drumming I've heard so far on Tasha's mix is great. |
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Ramrod
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 08:00:43
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Not only should you do it - but you should ensure you play it and enjoy it every chance you get.
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gdrumfoot
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 10:42:31
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| +1, None of us are here forever, I'm 65 and i've just bought a xylophone.........complete sideways step!! and I'm practising everyday despite arthritis (and still drumming in two bands) as long as I can....I will. Good luck with your purchase and good advice from Wendy |
Black Country drum technique = Gi'e it sum 'Ommer!
Tama, Gibraltar, Mapex, Ludwig, LP, Meinl, Sabian, Zildjian, Dream,Roland & Jobeky. |
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 11:37:24
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| Sorry to hear about your health Nigel. I think it is time to do what you know in your heart is the correct option: GET THE LUDDIES! |
Official Sugar Daddy of the forum's Sonor Delite appreciation society, as nominated by Jamoca - Honorary President Paul Brook
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Bazarre
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 18:02:48
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Hey Nigel -- health issues and advancing age are not reasons to give up playing: they are the very reasons to keep playing! Whether it's drums, guitars, any instrument in fact, or being a singer, I believe that being involved with producing music is utterly theraputic and age-reducing (or reversing!).
My old covers band has been going since the Great Flood, or it feels like it has, and the singer and I are the only original members now. When I started with this band, my first gig was on my fifteenth birthday, and the singist Pete, was all of 19. After a long break we got back together. Pete suffers badly from arthritis, is severely diabetic, has high blood pressure and spondilitis. Every year, getting towards his birthday, he declares that he is going to pack up singing for good. Every year, me and the others, and BTW, Pete's wife, talk him out of it. He is a great front-man for the band, with loads of performing experience and an uncanny ability to connect with the crowd. He is an amazing singer and his voice just seems to get better. He is now 71 years old. He has always been self-employed as a painter and decorator, and despite his health problems still works virtually full time. I think it is his enjoyment of being in the band and all it entails -- practices, performing live, doing the occasional fresh demo CDs -- that keeps him young at heart. You'd think he was 20 years younger if you met him. I'm not too far behind him, and I am not going to give it up before it gives me up, I can assure you!
So as far as the Luddies are concerned, GO FOR IT, and perhaps more importantly, keep playing the goddam things. Pete's been looking at buying a new PA system, by the way!
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WendyB
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 08:53:46
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| All the above makes sense. Today's the day for my hospital appointment. Watch this space. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Captain Bubble
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brushbaby
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 09:37:30
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Hi Nigel, I'm so sorry for your health problems, my brother in law is undergoing treatment for lymphoma at the moment and I can hardly imagine what a strain you are under, for what it's worth my advice would be to buy your vintage Luddy, the pleasure it will bring you can only be a tonic, most of us spend our lives worrying about money and holding on to posessions simply because selling them will not bring enough to justify it. Clear the decks, sell your old gear for whatever you can, buy an old keystone badge kit and enjoy yourself, it is the very least you deserve.
I wish you well. |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 11:24:37
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Originally posted by theslingerland
quote:
Originally posted by crafty
Nigel.
I'd do what it takes to get the Super Classic. If your heart is set on it, do it!
Ed
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This.
Sorry to hear about your health - do it!!
+1, and fingers crossed. |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 13:29:02
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| Thanks everyone. It seems I've got to have a blood transfusion - this weekend - and will then go on a new radioactive injected drug regime for 6 months. What happens after that depends on how I respond to the new drug. So I intend to carry on as normal for as long as possible and certainly to look for that Luddy! Music is definitely therapeutic and thoughts of it, plus rehearsing and gigging, have given me something to look forward to and contribute largely to my reasons for carrying on. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Bazarre
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 18:47:52
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Originally posted by nigelsmithson
Thanks everyone. It seems I've got to have a blood transfusion - this weekend - and will then go on a new radioactive injected drug regime for 6 months. What happens after that depends on how I respond to the new drug. So I intend to carry on as normal for as long as possible and certainly to look for that Luddy! Music is definitely theraputic and thoughts of it, plus rehearsing and gigging, have given me something to look forward to and contribute largely to my reasons for carrying on.
'Kin Nora! You'll be glowing in the dark, so you will!
Plenty of positive thoughts coming to you from the forumites -- that should do the trick. |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 18:55:30
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I can feel them :)
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PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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beezerk
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:33:09
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Thanks again everybody, I really appreciate your kindnesses  |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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bERb
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 00:16:27
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Think positive Nigel, they're discovering new treatments and cures every day.
GO GET THEM LUDDY'S !!!. |
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WendyB
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 09:22:06
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| Good luck with the treatment Nigel. Stay positive, stay tub thumpin'. With regard to the Luddies; photos or it ain't true still applies |
Official Sugar Daddy of the forum's Sonor Delite appreciation society, as nominated by Jamoca - Honorary President Paul Brook
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 11:19:11
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| Wendy, that's so very generous of you, thank you very much indeed. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2012 : 14:54:20
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| Well, blood transfusion done yesterday (took ages but not traumatic), just waiting for beneficial effects to kick in - pity about the heavy duty cold I've contracted in the interim! |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/04/2012 : 15:03:07
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| Bummer, hope it clears up soon and you can get down to finding your dream kit. |
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Brody
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Soporif
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Posted - 07/04/2012 : 17:13:31
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
Bummer, hope it clears up soon and you can get down to finding your dream kit.
Blimey - and I thought he'd got enough to worry about already.
Keep on keepin' on, Nigel. |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2012 : 17:25:25
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| I will indeed! Thanks. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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djohnson1974
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/04/2012 : 19:34:43
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| Fingers crossed for you here Nigel, hope things work out. Don't think I've give the drum procurement another thought, just go do it!! |
"Can you count to 4? Then you're in the band!" |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
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DaveP
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/04/2012 : 21:06:31
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Poole Perc have a 60s 13", 16", 22" kit in black wrap in the shop (although for some reason it's not on their website?) It's pretty scruffy and has seen some serious action, but it's one of the nicest sounding Luddys I've heard, everything you'd want from a classic vintage kit.
You could do worse than give them a buzz and see how much they want for it - I'd imagine it would be less than that kit on eBay.
They might do you a deal on the CX - it's certainly worth asking.
cheers
Dave
BTW all the best for your treatment, everything crossed |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2012 : 22:11:44
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| Thanks DaveP, I'll certainly do that. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2012 : 11:13:39
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| Well, that's all my plans down the toilet. See my thread 'Employment and Support Allowance' under 'Off Topic'. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Resonator72
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/04/2012 : 11:28:15
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| Silver sparkle 70s on eBay Birmingham, grab it quick |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2012 : 11:56:32
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| I haven't got £1100 to spare any more :( |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Th0mas25
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/04/2012 : 22:10:53
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I was going to chime in that you should go for it. But I've just seen the other thread. I'm gutted for you Nigel, and I hope there's been a mistake, or there's a way to top up your income a little (can't remember if you play in a band?). Even if you can't go for the Luddies now, don't sell ALL your gear, keep something to play.. as others have said, keeping playing is beneficial, probably physically, definitely psychologically!
Most importantly though, I hope you respond well to the new treatment, all the best! |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2012 : 11:19:32
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| Thanks Mr. 25. I'll keep updating the other thread if there's any progress. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Jonathan G
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 00:36:18
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| Hi Nigel, Sorry to hear about your situation. I might be interested in taking the PDP CX kit you have. What colour is it? Please feel free to call me on 07525164769. - Jon |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 10:49:11
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| Hi Jon, thanks, but I'm not selling it at the moment. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2012 : 00:12:31
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| Hot news! I might have solved the Ludwig dilemma - watch this space.... |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Captain Bubble
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2012 : 11:18:40
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Collecting it Friday, hopefully; will put photos up then.
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PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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Th0mas25
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/05/2012 : 19:13:59
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| Great news Nigel, glad you got something sorted! Looking forward to seeing the pics |
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Rhythm and Blooze
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 14:06:52
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| Thanks R&B. |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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nigelsmithson
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 16:47:55
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Well, I did it - sort of!
http://s432.photobucket.com/albums/qq43/nigelsmithson/Drums/Ludwig%20Superclassic/
What we have here is a '61 Super Classic that was rewrapped in '78 and had blue/olive badges and that bloody awful Premier tom holder fitted.
I have the original kick drum mounted cymbal arm (although not its mounting block) and intend to refit it, put appropriate Keystone badges on, refit a rail tom holder and put a blanking plate over the Prem tom holder holes.
But it was cheap! - £350.
I'm happy :) |
PDP CX, Ludwig Super Classic, Acrolite, Zildjian A, Ks, Hardcases, Yamaha DTxpress. |
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