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Badman_batman
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 Posted - 23/05/2012 : 17:53:33
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I was basically brought up listening to this everyday. My dad who I incedentaly have not spoke to in years used to play it everyday and it still has find memories.
Today I heard it for the first time in years and as well as tugging on those old heart strings and causing me to miss him I just thought I MUST learn this
Has anyone done it, what did you do and do you have a score ish
Cheers guys from a soppy git |
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gdrumfoot
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 19:13:50
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| I'll assume you mean The Shadows. 8's on floor tom, accent first beat. Then snare,both hands marching style,just listen, its not difficult and quite sparse, bass and hat more or less your choice, but simple (this was 1960) When it breaks into what sounds like a more orthodox rhythm watchout for the ride bell pattern, its unusual as it starts with two sixteenth notes and sounds sorta upside down.The galloping snare bit you could interpret many ways, but keep it loose and sparse. For it's time it was quite an unusual drum part. I've never seen a score but I'm sure you'll catch this number on youtube. Yes I have played it as a dep in a cabaret band, I've since been told I was the only one to play it properly, everyone else went (or tried) to play it in a more modern and conventional style...it just doesn't work, its one of those you can't mess with. |
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Badman_batman
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 19:19:48
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| ^^totally agree i just want to play it the way it was originally played, dont mess with something that was perfect |
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Badman_batman
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 19:21:13
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| Oh and yes it was the shadows mate thanks |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 19:40:34
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| A lot of people nowadays tune their floor toms for a very low and resonant sound, but this tune tends to sound better with a tighter, thinner and crisper tone rather than booming thud. Otherwise as gdrumfoot says. |
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spaceman
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 20:14:46
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
A lot of people nowadays tune their floor toms for a very low and resonant sound, but this tune tends to sound better with a tighter, thinner and crisper tone rather than booming thud. Otherwise as gdrumfoot says.
 A little inside info - it was NOT a floor tom! They didn't have a lot of tracks in those days so Cliff Richard played a Chinese drum: from Wikipedia "percussion was by Tony Meehan and Cliff Richard, who played a Chinese drum at the beginning and end to provide an atmosphere of stereotypically Native American Music" 
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gdrumfoot
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 21:14:40
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| Spot on Spaceman! Although today it would have to be a fllor tom. |
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knockermalin
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Posted - 23/05/2012 : 21:31:22
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Originally posted by Badman_batman
I was basically brought up listening to this everyday. My dad who I incedentaly have not spoke to in years used to play it everyday and it still has find memories.
Today I heard it for the first time in years and as well as tugging on those old heart strings and causing me to miss him I just thought I MUST learn this
Has anyone done it, what did you do and do you have a score ish
Cheers guys from a soppy git
Sounds like you have fallen out with your dad! If the song brings back 'fond memories' and 'tugs at the old strings', perhaps it's time for a reconcilliation? My dad died when I was 17 and I still miss him almost 40 years later. I would love to be able to talk to him now. (Okay, so you can tell me not to poke my nose in if you want to!) |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 08:14:07
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Cheers spaceman, I did not know that, but it does kind of prove that you do not want to use a booming 18" floor tom! A 14" floor tom tuned medium high would probably approximate the sound.
VERY wise words from knockermalin! You only have 2 parents, and however bad things have been there is nothing sadder than when a parent or their child dies before a reconciliation has been found. |
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Badman_batman
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 08:32:22
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Thanks for all the advice guys, struggling a bit though, its when it comes to the marching drum part more than anything
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Henry Piper
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 08:58:29
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Spot on Spaceman! Although today it would have to be a fllor tom.
Doesn't Have to be,!! Chinese tom toms,as used by Jazz and dance band drummers in the '20s and '30s can still be bought on ebay, at prices varying wildly from £10-£15 right up to £50+.
there sometimes described as "Dragon" Drums. |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 09:13:01
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| True, but if you are using a normal kit for the rest of the set set you have to figure out where and how to mount it. They tend to have nailed animal skins which are prone to temperature and humidity changes, and are not very loud. Fine in a studio but possibly a problem elsewhere. |
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Henry Piper
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 13:56:40
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
True, but if you are using a normal kit for the rest of the set set you have to figure out where and how to mount it. They tend to have nailed animal skins which are prone to temperature and humidity changes, and are not very loud. Fine in a studio but possibly a problem elsewhere.
True on all counts Cap'n, I have one which I use with a 26" Bass drum for "period" look when I occasionaly play with a very tradional sounding New orleans Band, Ive used a simple Pearl tom holder arrangement which holds the drum in a fairly conventional position and being mounted via the large bass drum does add a bit of volume to the drum, the effect of weather on the skin I can do nothing about!! although I do remember wetting it slightly one really hot afternoon playing in the open air at a fete in Tonbridge a few years ago. |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 14:25:17
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I like their tone, but would NOT mount one on a normal fitting for Apache.
I would have Squeak holding it at the correct place and angle, dressed in the rather enticing Indian Squaw costume she made, with its short suede tassle skirt and while playing it I woul[the rest of this post has been deleted, Ed.] |
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spaceman
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 16:29:08
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I like their tone, but would NOT mount one on a normal fitting for Apache.
I would have Squeak holding it at the correct place and angle, dressed in the rather enticing Indian Squaw costume she made, with its short suede tassle skirt and while playing it I woul[the rest of this post has been deleted, Ed.]
I would have Cliff Richard holding it for me to get that original sound!  |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 24/05/2012 : 17:28:46
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| ^ Ah, but every seven years every cell in your body has been replaced with a new one, so it would not be the same Cliff Richard! |
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Pegdrummer
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Badman_batman
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Posted - 29/05/2012 : 20:03:14
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I just cannot get this marching drum piece, its killing me, i can buzz roll and double rolls but can i heck get it
Could someone please write it for me, please please please |
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dibs
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Badman_batman
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 16:29:18
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| thanks mate, just need to learn tab now |
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