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pat illingworth
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 Posted - 31/05/2012 : 14:49:20
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Thought some of you maybe interested to hear the results of a Library music project I played drums on...
The idea was to try and get as close to the style and sound of Motown and Stax music as possible...
Great producer Steve Levine recorded us "live in the room" at Toerag Studios (All vintage 60's equipment)...Vocals and horns etc were added afterwards...
PS None of the rhythm section wore headphones for these sessions!! NO CLICK TRACKS!!
I played the house 60's Roundbadge Gretsch, my Ludwig 400 and mixture of Toerag's 60's A's and K's....
Interested to hear your thoughts...
http://www.audionetwork.com/production-music/album/60s-soul_1749.aspx
and here's a behind the scenes look at these sessions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v1TrXCgwvmE
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crafty
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:07:32
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| Stunning! |
Super cool - and bongos too!
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pat illingworth
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crafty
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:18:12
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'All My Love' IS the Motown Sound. I've never heard a drum sound like that except out of Detroit. Fantastic tuning, engineering and producing (and playing, of course). Call me Ed.
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Super cool - and bongos too!
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martydrums
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:19:20
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Only had a quick listen to 3 or 4 tracks as yet, 'kin amazing! |
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pure_rock_fury
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:21:36
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| Oh my, this is rather special. Congratulations on some top-notch work. |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:21:52
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Thanks Ed... yeah I think it turned out pretty authentic...
Cheers marty!
...and pure rock fury!!
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martydrums
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:27:49
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Waring brown nose alert!
King L Pat! The sounds and playing are exactly what I remember emerging from my parents gramophone when I were a nipper. I have come over all nostalgic and a bit emotional... |
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scoobydude
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:28:50
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| That's very impressive, the sound is spot on. |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:39:01
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Thanks Marty...glad it took you back!
Cheers Scoobydude. It was alot of fun to recreate... I love Al Jackson Jr and the Funk Bros anyway, so that helps!! |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:41:30
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| My best buddy from college days Alex Meadows (Tom Jones/Jamiroquai/Will Young) on bass BTW |
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:41:56
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NORTHERN SOUL
Great work loving it |
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pat illingworth
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StormBlast
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 15:47:11
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I don't usually listen to this type of music, but I threw on Butternut Squash Jam, and the moment the organ kicked in I noticed a grin appear on my face.
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moosetication
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pat illingworth
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lee haydn
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 16:44:04
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| Damn dude,, it's spot on,, |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 16:52:21
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| That's me playing the top of a stool with sticks on "Call Me" as well the kit part...we all had a go at the stomps and claps.... the great Frank Ricotti is on vibes... |
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dogface
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 17:02:05
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| It's certainly got the Motown vibe and sound. Just out of curiosity, how were the drums recorded? Pair of overheads and a BD mic, perhaps? |
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Glide
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 17:02:37
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Nice work Pat...Just Give Me A Chance. Budget didn't stretch to a tambourine overdub fee then?? |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 17:07:50
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@ dogface - just 2 mics....a vintage Calrec on the BD and modern condenser Steve brought overhead!
@ Vince, Ha! I played a bit on some tracks and think Frank did some on most of the others...must have decided not to on that one for some reason!! |
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Glide
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 17:19:10
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Originally posted by pat illingworth
@ dogface - just 2 mics....a vintage Calrec on the BD and modern condenser Steve brought overhead!
@ Vince, Ha! I played a bit on some tracks and think Frank did some on most of the others...must have decided not to on that one for some reason!!
I can hear Jack Ashford and "Bongo Brown" spinnin' man
Great stuff Pat |
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mark.drums
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 17:31:49
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I love the baritone sax sound on these.
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shoestring
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 18:12:58
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Wow!! truly beautiful, unbelievable, i'm bouncing around on my seat to this. Real feel good Motown Northern soul, my memories of the 'Red Hut disco' when i was 16 are flooding back.
(it's finished) Applauds, doffs cap, bows.
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steve white
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 18:14:33
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| sounds great Pat , it can be done ! best to Terry Devine-King , we did some shows many years ago |
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ian-40
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 19:38:13
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best 60's feel to a modern recording since 'Rehab' ........... simply wonderful, i'm seriously impressed.
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sammcleandrums
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 22:01:10
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drummer sam
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djohnson1974
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 23:36:49
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| Fantastically authentic sounding, great work. |
"Can you count to 4? Then you're in the band!" |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 00:47:00
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Originally posted by steve white
sounds great Pat , it can be done ! best to Terry Devine-King , we did some shows many years ago
Thanks Steve (and Happy Birthday!)...will pass your best on to T D-K when I see next see him... |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 09:35:48
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Thanks to everyone for the positive feedback...
It was a very fun project to be involved in. I love the sound of older recordings and the vibe that is created when musicians play together in one small studio without a click track... |
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New Boy
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 09:59:40
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| Pat, that's cracking. You would never know it was a new recording. Love the ringing Snare |
Free the Tempus one - The missing thread lives on!
(Carrera, Highwood, Amedia,Paiste).
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crafty
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:02:47
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Pat. I'd love to see the processors used on your drums for the Motown stuff. Any ideas on the compressors and eqs? Even the overdrive is spot on.
Ed |
Super cool - and bongos too!
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:28:04
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Hi Ed, I'm afraid I'm not very techy but I know that there's an EMI Redd desk (one of only 3 in the world) at Toerag which really helps with the crunchiness...We also recorded on to 1 inch tape. I have no idea about what additional compressors and eq's were used unfortunately...
I've included a link to a few snaps I took...maybe you can work out what some of the gear is from them? Toerag is a total timewarp and is just as much a museum as a studio. It's a wonderful place.
http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab75/patill/60s%20Soul%20Sessions%20at%20Toerag%20studios/ |
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crafty
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:52:43
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Great pics! You can push tape pretty hard. I have wonderful memories of sessions before DAWs where the tape machine room added a bit more magic to the recording process. The machine rooms at Maida Vale were a thing to behold. I'm sure you rmember them.
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Super cool - and bongos too!
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averagewaistdude
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:58:41
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| Pat - this is gorgeous audio! I want to have your babies! |
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drumdmc
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gdrumfoot
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 18:43:07
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| Very, very authentic and I lived through that period ! Love the Benny benjamin vibe and THAT fill :-) |
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benjisonfire
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 19:31:28
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what a cool project! I would love to do something like that!
maybe It's my ears (speakers) or just that the concept of stax is different to the reality of sound but it still sounds almost a bit modern somehow? almost too well recorded?
I'm probably talking rubbish! |
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Gazza
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 22:10:58
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Sounds amazing Pat! very authentic playing all round....love it.
Where's Soulman? thought he'd be along getting all excited about it!
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 09:13:34
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Originally posted by averagewaistdude
Pat - this is gorgeous audio! I want to have your babies!
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Jayremedy
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 20:13:00
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| That's proper ear candy that, nice job! To all invovled |
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jamoca
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 23:32:05
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| Absolutely loved it. What an incredible concept and beautiful musicianship. |
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lee haydn
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 00:24:06
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| Crafty's post on remembering Maida Vale bought back my memories of playing there too, also the BBC Radio 2 Country Club studio (i cant rememeber where it was) which we did a few times, i thought the tape was more like 2", i remember being really impressed with the way the engineer just wound the reels back and forward and found the right place to cut the tape, good old days before digital eh,, |
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pat illingworth
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 01:50:55
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| Cheers guys... Really appreciating the comments. I'll pass them on to the guys involved. Pat |
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crafty
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 09:01:46
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Originally posted by lee haydn
Crafty's post on remembering Maida Vale bought back my memories of playing there too, also the BBC Radio 2 Country Club studio (i cant rememeber where it was) which we did a few times, i thought the tape was more like 2", i remember being really impressed with the way the engineer just wound the reels back and forward and found the right to place to cut the tape, good old days before digital eh,,
Maida Vale studios used to run Studer A800 24 track machines (2 inch tape) running at 30ips. Some of the machine rooms had 3 A800 powered up!
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Super cool - and bongos too!
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pat illingworth
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crafty
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 11:29:31
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Great stuff, Pat. While I'm all for the portability of modern recording set-ups (I use one too), it's so good to see Toerag and Daptone flying the flag for the pure analogue. And while there is that silly left and right flank of pure analogue against pure digital brigade, I really like the middle ground where ther old guard have shifted to new technologies and the new guard are experimenting with the magic combination of a drum kit, a great acoustic space and a two condenser microphones.
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lee haydn
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 12:13:45
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| Thanks for the heads up Crafty, i thought i remembered the tape at 2", i'm not very techy on the actual gear used, can you remember where the BBC Radio 2 studios where? it's doing my head in,, here's a great clip of J D McPherson in the studio with some great vintage gear, including the drums,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGn4LncY0g&feature=related |
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moosetication
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lee haydn
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 15:23:14
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^ Thanks for this JD McPherson recommendation, Lee. Just about to buy the album on Amazon. Ace!
Terrific stuff eh, pleased you like his style, i'm really enjoying playing this particular genre, it's a great circuit too,, |
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