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David Smaylen
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:01:01
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| Has another one bitten the dust? Word is the shop has closed and the website has something along the lines of no longer providing the "retail experience". Sad if true. |
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neokoenig
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United Kingdom
1113 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:38:33
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" Birmingham Drum Centre is no longer offering a retail experience to our customers and all orders will now be placed soley online via our e-bay shop. This total online experience is due to change in consumers buying habits but please feel free to contact us if you have any queries via our e-mail address. Please click through to our ebay shop and browse our products, Happy Shopping!"
That is completely gutting. It was one of my nearest drum shops too. |
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andywilson
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United Kingdom
387 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:41:41
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| Thank goodness they still exist. |
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Pegdrummer
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United Kingdom
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WendyB
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United Kingdom
5648 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:00:46
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| Wow, that was a great place for browsing. They downsized a while ago and they were not that easy to find tucked away off the main road. Online seems to be the way to go for specialist retailers. |
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JGodsall
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United Kingdom
3743 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:09:08
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| Shame. I've probably bought more of my gear from there than anywhere else - a few cymbals, cases, stands, heads, stool, sticks... |
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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lee haydn
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2033 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:31:55
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They've had a few bob off me too, shame, it was the ultimate candy store this side London,,
Edit, so how do you get round the fact that the big boys want their goods in a "Brick and Morter" shop? i was told Pearl wanted at least a 10K order to start up a franchise with them,,, |
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wibblylad
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United Kingdom
1209 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:34:04
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What a shame.
Amazing store...a real 'Aladdin's Cave'.
Gone. Sniff..... |
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dwpaddy
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Ireland
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:35:32
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Shame. I've probably bought more of my gear from there than anywhere else - a few cymbals, cases, stands, heads, stool, sticks...
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TwiStedCandyFloSs
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:30:29
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Thats a real shame, I liked having a nosey there especially before it downsized, I had been planning on visiting at the weekend but just didn't get the time.
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Drum-RoomCoUk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 22:57:10
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| Nothing beats walking into a drum shop - all those gorgeous finishes, gleaming chrome, the smell of new shells! Real shame they've go 'online only'. That said, I agree with you guys, although I had a fair bit of gear from them, they certainly weren't cheap. And yes, if they're trying to compete online, they gotta do a lot better with their prices. Loads of guys out there doing the same gear for a lot less. |
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fatty
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United Kingdom
96 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 23:13:41
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That is a massive blow to the drumming community. Craig Blundell on a FB posting recently raised this issue and urged his followers to support their local store as he pointed out that the industry is really suffering these days.
A drum shop is more than just a shop as we all know. It's all too easy to click the "buy" button on ebay to get stuff cheaper. However the High St stores are doing cracking deals and there isn't that much difference in price across the board.
I had the privilege of popping into Sound Attak in Colchester last friday and spent half hour picking Pete Lewis's brains. He gave me so much of his time and knowledge without pressuring me into a sale at all. From that I know where i will be spending my hard earned in future. |
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knockermalin
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 08:51:07
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Originally posted by fatty
That is a massive blow to the drumming community. Craig Blundell on a FB posting recently raised this issue and urged his followers to support their local store as he pointed out that the industry is really suffering these days.
A drum shop is more than just a shop as we all know. It's all too easy to click the "buy" button on ebay to get stuff cheaper. However the High St stores are doing cracking deals and there isn't that much difference in price across the board.
I had the privilege of popping into Sound Attak in Colchester last friday and spent half hour picking Pete Lewis's brains. He gave me so much of his time and knowledge without pressuring me into a sale at all. From that I know where i will be spending my hard earned in future.
You make a good point Fatty - we should support our local drum shops. Recently I needed some new heads. I checked prices online and then rang DrUm in Regent Street, Leamington Spa. Prices were about the same as online, in stock and ready to collect. We also have Charles Laird Drums in Warwick. The Leamington/Warwick area is well served with these two independant shops that both offer tuition as well as a good range of products. (Both shops are only 30 minutes from Birmingham/Coventry.) |
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 09:03:28
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The truth is that these shops go out of business or online due to a clear lack of support.
Selfishly these shops have been used by everyone to view their products to check quality and price only for them to buy online from anyone daft enough to sell just above bottom line to please distributors and buyers.
Perusing in a drum shop will become a thing of the past.You will be left with a handful of shops who will collude to dictate prices...then the fun begins!
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logic_user99
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 09:13:32
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| That's a shame. I bought my first 'proper' snare drum from them when I was 16. |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 17:55:51
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Originally posted by fatty
That is a massive blow to the drumming community. Craig Blundell on a FB posting recently raised this issue and urged his followers to support their local store as he pointed out that the industry is really suffering these days.
A drum shop is more than just a shop as we all know. It's all too easy to click the "buy" button on ebay to get stuff cheaper. However the High St stores are doing cracking deals and there isn't that much difference in price across the board.
I had the privilege of popping into Sound Attak in Colchester last friday and spent half hour picking Pete Lewis's brains. He gave me so much of his time and knowledge without pressuring me into a sale at all. From that I know where i will be spending my hard earned in future.
The difference can be massive unfortunately. |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 18:35:58
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Originally posted by fatty
That is a massive blow to the drumming community. Craig Blundell on a FB posting recently raised this issue and urged his followers to support their local store as he pointed out that the industry is really suffering these days.
A drum shop is more than just a shop as we all know. It's all too easy to click the "buy" button on ebay to get stuff cheaper. However the High St stores are doing cracking deals and there isn't that much difference in price across the board.
I had the privilege of popping into Sound Attak in Colchester last friday and spent half hour picking Pete Lewis's brains. He gave me so much of his time and knowledge without pressuring me into a sale at all. From that I know where i will be spending my hard earned in future.
....but don't forget if you press the buy button on ebaY at least 10% will go to ebaY so please consider contacting the shop direct.
Example only today I have 1st hand experience of a customer getting a cheaper price awy from ebaY because the retailer inolved didn't have to "include" the ebaY fees in the final sale price.
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dogface
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United Kingdom
891 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 18:42:41
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| The overheads involved in running a shop can be crippling and they can't cut profit to the bone to compete with onliners or they've no chance of covering those overheads. We should all appreciate that being able to browse gear in a shop is something worth paying extra for. |
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WendyB
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Deezil
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 20:51:20
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Originally posted by Yard
The truth is that these shops go out of business or online due to a clear lack of support.
Selfishly these shops have been used by everyone to view their products to check quality and price only for them to buy online from anyone daft enough to sell just above bottom line to please distributors and buyers.
Perusing in a drum shop will become a thing of the past.You will be left with a handful of shops who will collude to dictate prices...then the fun begins!
Nail. Head. Hit. Not that this hasn't been siad many times before.
So, a hearty congratulations to the tightwad masses who for years have been cluttering up drum forums with the "where can i get (insert expensive drum stuff item here) the cheapest?" and a double congrats along with please go and shoot yourself in the face to all those who replied suggesting German online "retailer" or grey market "official" chancers. |
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gdrumfoot
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 21:36:34
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| Bought massive amounts of stuff from them, top family run business. Hope all is well in the future for the Payne family...Sue, Nicole & Chris, thank you for all the help over the years. XX |
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delboydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 22:51:00
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"please go and shoot yourself in the face" - Really ???
Surely not the way to be talking on this pleasant forum? |
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 23:39:19
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Bought massive amounts of stuff from them, top family run business. Hope all is well in the future for the Payne family...Sue, Nicole & Chris, thank you for all the help over the years. XX
All is well with the Payne family as I saw Chris on Saturday.
In business you have to keep ahead of the game or you sink..they are keeping ahead of the game.
As has been stated before " Use them or lose them"
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Shut it and whack the poxy things!
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delboydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 23:49:22
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Always seemed like a nice bunch of folk, at old and newer shops.
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lee haydn
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United Kingdom
2033 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2012 : 00:09:50
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[/quote] Deezil
Nail. Head. Hit. Not that this hasn't been siad many times before.
So, a hearty congratulations to the tightwad masses who for years have been cluttering up drum forums with the "where can i get (insert expensive drum stuff item here) the cheapest?" and a double congrats along with please go and shoot yourself in the face to all those who replied suggesting German online "retailer" or grey market "official" chancers.
I can see how popular your'e going to be on here, Jeez, what a posting,, |
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 08:24:19
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Originally posted by Yard
The truth is that these shops go out of business or online due to a clear lack of support.
Selfishly these shops have been used by everyone to view their products to check quality and price only for them to buy online from anyone daft enough to sell just above bottom line to please distributors and buyers.
Perusing in a drum shop will become a thing of the past.You will be left with a handful of shops who will collude to dictate prices...then the fun begins!
Yard is correct in his post and as we have said so many times "use them or lose them" its a sad fact that more shops will go we are paying for customer service and somebody to talk us through the product and (hopefully) back up if something goes wrong. |
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 08:29:30
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Originally posted by Deezil
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Originally posted by Yard
The truth is that these shops go out of business or online due to a clear lack of support.
Selfishly these shops have been used by everyone to view their products to check quality and price only for them to buy online from anyone daft enough to sell just above bottom line to please distributors and buyers.
Perusing in a drum shop will become a thing of the past.You will be left with a handful of shops who will collude to dictate prices...then the fun begins!
Nail. Head. Hit. Not that this hasn't been siad many times before.
So, a hearty congratulations to the tightwad masses who for years have been cluttering up drum forums with the "where can i get (insert expensive drum stuff item here) the cheapest?" and a double congrats along with please go and shoot yourself in the face to all those who replied suggesting German online "retailer" or grey market "official" chancers.
He has a good point and although a lot of us on this forum do support your local shops I have seen the post's he is talking about its also one of the reasons I only have UK shops advertise on mikedolbear.com, trust me I have lost out because of this. |
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delboydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 09:03:40
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Mike - he may have a fine point, however, is it acceptable to use terms like "please go and shoot yourself in the face" on your forum?
I'm staggered you've posted but not mentioned it.
If that's the slippery slope we're on then I'll get me coat.... |
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Mark W
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 09:45:58
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I agree that when it comes to " high street" shops we need to "use them or lose them".
However it's not a black and white situation. I pretty much exclusively use Play.com for CD purchases. Yes they're generally the cheapest but they also carry the stock. A good few years ago I bought the belatedly released album by NWOBHM band Weapon. No one on the high street had it & years kf subsequent browsing in shops still hasn't turned it up. Play got it to me in a couple of days.
When it comes to drums, it could be argued that anything that ISN'T a brand new purchase is strangling shops and manufacturers.
In my time I've bought new and used at shops, online retailers and on eBay, and I imagine that this mixed approach is fairly representative of what most people do. A Special Edition Sonor Force 3005 was advertised so cheaply on Thomann that I "impulse" purchased it, and years later I bought the cheapest drum rack I could find anywhere from them. I've waited for the Drum Shop sale to buy pedals and cymbals at half RRP. I've bought a twenty year old Premier kit from an excellent second hand shop, that money never found its' way to Premier. I've bought Evans heads from Drum Shop primarily because they're lots cheaper than Remo. Ditto why I often buy Stagg American Hickory sticks instead of Vic Firths.
Does any of this mean I'm a bad person responsible for shops closing and should be shot be shot in the face, or is it reflective of what many people do?
It's not cut and dried is the point I hope I'm making. |
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lee haydn
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 10:34:05
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| /\ Good post Mark, i live in Derbyshire so it's not at all convenient to just nip up to the "bricks and morter "Drumshop in Tyne and Wear, yet iv'e bought stuff off Andy's ebay shop, most of the bits and bobs iv'e bought on ebay are from brick and morter retailers, unfortunately, the fact that i spent nearly 3K at Birmingham Drum in 05 didn't help to save the store,, |
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 10:44:08
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Originally posted by delboydrums
Mike - he may have a fine point, however, is it acceptable to use terms like "please go and shoot yourself in the face" on your forum?
I'm staggered you've posted but not mentioned it.
If that's the slippery slope we're on then I'll get me coat....
ok ok ok  sorry i didn't mention the manor in which he posted I totally agree with you on this, but it does concern me that so many shops are closing which I think is very sad.
I think that works out about 5 major drum shops in the UK in the past few months. |
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 11:01:14
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Originally posted by Deezil
Nail. Head. Hit. Not that this hasn't been siad many times before.
So, a hearty congratulations to the tightwad masses who for years have been cluttering up drum forums with the "where can i get (insert expensive drum stuff item here) the cheapest?" and a double congrats along with please go and shoot yourself in the face to all those who replied suggesting German online "retailer" or grey market "official" chancers.
Must be nice to live in a world where you can afford to pay for the most expensive version of the product you're looking for. Unfortunately some of the tightwad masses must be restrained to a slightly tighter budget than you.
I love going into the shop (any drum shop, not just Birmingham). The whole experience, seeing it all, touching it all, banter with the guys that work there. and if they can get the price anywhere near online competitors I will always take them up on it and get it from there. I've infact done the opposite of yard's point:
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Originally posted by Deezil
Selfishly these shops have been used by everyone to view their products to check quality and price only for them to buy online from anyone daft enough to sell just above bottom line to please distributors and buyers.
I've checked online for a rough price and then gone into the shop to see what they can do (and I'm not marching in there asking for pounds off what I found online, just somewhere in the ballpark is fine). Drums is my living, so I need to buy a lot of stuff for it. But as of yet it's not such a massive living that I can afford to pay more than I have to. |
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Dave S
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 12:07:46
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I've checked online for a rough price and then gone into the shop to see what they can do.
Yes, exactly - I'd much rather do this, and pay a bit more than the cheapest online price to actually hear what I'm buying, and I'd say that's the case for most of the drummers I know.
I don't know, but I would suspect that the internet's role in it is more to do with the ease and relative security of second hand purchases rather than saving pennies by buying from Thomann. Nowadays I very rarely buy anything new, unless I need something custom made or the item rarely comes up secondhand. There's nothing new in that apart from the variety that's on offer as it has become easier to advertise your wares nation/worldwide thanks to eBay's success.
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gdrumfoot
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 14:21:45
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Originally posted by Yard
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Originally posted by gdrumfoot
Bought massive amounts of stuff from them, top family run business. Hope all is well in the future for the Payne family...Sue, Nicole & Chris, thank you for all the help over the years. XX
All is well with the Payne family as I saw Chris on Saturday.
In business you have to keep ahead of the game or you sink..they are keeping ahead of the game.
I need some stuff, guess I'll be in touch, glad the're ok, thanks Yard.
As has been stated before " Use them or lose them"
3 Million unemployed...how did that happen?
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AndyDrumNewcastle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 16:48:07
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Originally posted by mike dolbear
quote:
Originally posted by Yard
The truth is that these shops go out of business or online due to a clear lack of support.
Selfishly these shops have been used by everyone to view their products to check quality and price only for them to buy online from anyone daft enough to sell just above bottom line to please distributors and buyers.
Perusing in a drum shop will become a thing of the past.You will be left with a handful of shops who will collude to dictate prices...then the fun begins!
Yard is correct in his post and as we have said so many times "use them or lose them" its a sad fact that more shops will go we are paying for customer service and somebody to talk us through the product and (hopefully) back up if something goes wrong.
Very sad news that this has happened but the top and bottom is that Yard and Mike are both correct. Its tough out there at the moment but every cloud, just poured myself a nice Jack and Coke watching the sun go down from my Balcony......awaits flame war.....
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fatty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 18:40:59
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| Another drum store hits the wall. Project Music in Exeter has all but closed down its Drum department and is being relegated to an Ebay shop. |
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delboydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 22:19:25
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An interesting "follow-on" from this for me:
Was in Bristol today for a day of being dragged round the shops. I popped into the city-centre's very large music emporium for a look around - you know, the expensive one with the unfortunate name. I asked (on the outside off-chance) if they had any spare tension-rods / bolts. (I didn't expect anything too hopeful or specific as I was after some odd sized rods).
The guy working in the drum department didn't know what they were - he asked if I meant sticks!!
Now I appreciate that he may not know much about drums, but when I explained, asked again and even showed him, he said "no, we don't stock them".
Not at all.
Now to me, that's like a guitar shop not stocking strings.
I won't be hurrying back.
I then went to Drum Bank Music, where I hadn't been since they moved across the road to the new shop. I got a great welcome and an offer to have a wander round the shop. It looks like drum shops used to, with old and new kits, vintage and second-hand snares and bargain buckets of spares. Despite a rummage through a big tub of rods, they didn't have what I was after, but I WILL be going back ASAP.
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StormBlast
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 22:48:34
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| I was in Bristol today too and drove past a music shop (well it looked like a guitar shop from the outside but still) and had a chuckle at the name..wonder if it's the same one.. |
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 22:56:45
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If you expect shops to keep lowering prices whilst having huge overheads and wages to pay then why not level the playing field and have private sellers lower their resale prices due to not having any overheads,tax or VAT to pay?
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clarky_182
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 22:57:30
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| I like to support my local stores, never really go online for things like sticks and heads. But, when it comes to bigger purchases, I'll ne looking around online. I work long hours for my money, so I'm not going to spend more than I have to. Drums are the same as any other product I buy, I want the best value for money I can get. How many on here do all their shopping in local shops rather than using companies like Tesco, asda, Amazon, hmv etc? I see that as no different to using shops like thomman to get the best deal. |
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Crocodile JD
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 23:28:35
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Sad indeed, I bought my kit from them. The price was competative at the time and the fact that I could take it home with me rather than have that nervous wait was good.
Any one else buy a kit from them? |
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neokoenig
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 23:33:16
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| I bought my beloved brady snare from them. I had no price limitation (as in, I could afford pretty much any snare in the shop) - I went in with my heart set on a DW for some reason. They let me try all of those, then, one of them said - you *really* should try *this* - handing me a not inexpensive brady sheoak stave snare. The rest as they say, is history. Still my fav drum to this day. Well, that an my luddy 400. The point being that like cymbals, some things you've just gotta hit first :) |
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lee haydn
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 23:51:21
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| Yeah, a DW kit, + DW 14"x4" copper snare + (later on)14x6 Edge Snare + 16x16 + PR Cases + Roc n Soc Throne + PR Mat + er,, |
Ludwig Maple Classic (Green Sparkle) + L400
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rickmelman
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Germany
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 08:30:42
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| I know this is a drum website, but guys get real. This process has happened throughout the retail industry - go check your high street. Do you have a butcher? do you have a hardware store? - I bet not. Did you complain when your quality butcher was forced out of business by the Tesco/Sainsbury/Morrisons megastore that opened on a business retail park out of town - I'd wager you did not. Do you get better customer service - generally not, do you get better product - absolutely not. Meat is made to such a low price these days it simply cannot pay to produce.... You get my point, it's business, yes it sucks but it's just business in a free market economy - we've enjoyed the benefits for too many years and soon we will start paying dearly for it. |
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Muttzknuttz1
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 08:43:27
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I bought my last kit from an independent custom UK drum builder, not from a store, but direct from the company...does this mean I am partly responsible for the demise of Uk stores?
There is a North London store i used to frequent and have spent many happy hours there perusing, buying, and all was well, but my final visit there was an emergency dash for a snare head and sticks 2 years ago.
The price's were hugely over-inflated at least 20-25% more than most other stores, in fact I went to another store in central london(Footes RIP)- where I was gigging- and saved money, now Footes surely had bigger overheads than a warehouse in N London?
It is a shame that we are losing drum stores, and I am sure that looking at high streets with so many shops closing, we are not the only retail shops that are suffering due to online sales.
I have a local small music shop in Harborough, I went in for sticks and the guy was desperate for my business, but confessed that he could not get my sticks in due to the agreed purchase levels with Vic Firth, in order to get a brick of mine he had to order a minimum amount of sticks and was not prepared to do so, I can understand this, and was happy to purchase two bricks, but he could not justify the extra purchase as he never sold enough to make the minimum order.... what do you do? |
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mully
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 08:44:33
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Our local drum shops rarely have what I want. I COULD drive 120 miles to one that WILL have what I want, and pay dearly for it, but who in their right mind would do that? The shop closest to me has eight drum heads in stock, and a plethora of Stagg sticks. What hell good is that to anyone? Most local shops won't even LET you try before you buy. It's certainly not the first time I've been told "Put that back on the shelf" by some oik in a Metal Hammer t-shirt when I've been looking at a snare/bass pedal/whatever. I well remember the attitude of music shops when I was a young'un, I remember being treated like a f**king nuisance when I asked to see or try a piece of equipment. And I have a long memory. Stop blaming the customers (or potential customers) for all of this.
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MD Fount of All Wisdom for Life and Extraordinary Amusement Officer of the forum's Sonor Delite Appreciation Society.
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metallicpearl
Advanced Contributer
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 08:44:47
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Originally posted by luke3030
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Originally posted by fatty
That is a massive blow to the drumming community. Craig Blundell on a FB posting recently raised this issue and urged his followers to support their local store as he pointed out that the industry is really suffering these days.
A drum shop is more than just a shop as we all know. It's all too easy to click the "buy" button on ebay to get stuff cheaper. However the High St stores are doing cracking deals and there isn't that much difference in price across the board.
I had the privilege of popping into Sound Attak in Colchester last friday and spent half hour picking Pete Lewis's brains. He gave me so much of his time and knowledge without pressuring me into a sale at all. From that I know where i will be spending my hard earned in future.
The difference can be massive unfortunately.
This tends to be my experience when it comes to kits. I felt bad for buying my DTXtreme III from Andertons as it was £1699 instead of £2300 from my local drum shop but that was the difference between me being able to afford it and not being able to afford it. I would have liked to have ordered it from my local shop and support my local business but the fact is that they just couldn't compete and I couldn't afford the extra £601. I still buy bits and bobs from my local shop but they just don't compete on price for most things; especially kits. If it's slightly more expensive, I will get it locally but it's rarely a small difference in price, unfortunately. |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 08:50:11
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Originally posted by Mark W
I agree that when it comes to " high street" shops we need to "use them or lose them".
However it's not a black and white situation. I pretty much exclusively use Play.com for CD purchases. Yes they're generally the cheapest but they also carry the stock. A good few years ago I bought the belatedly released album by NWOBHM band Weapon. No one on the high street had it & years kf subsequent browsing in shops still hasn't turned it up. Play got it to me in a couple of days.
When it comes to drums, it could be argued that anything that ISN'T a brand new purchase is strangling shops and manufacturers.
In my time I've bought new and used at shops, online retailers and on eBay, and I imagine that this mixed approach is fairly representative of what most people do. A Special Edition Sonor Force 3005 was advertised so cheaply on Thomann that I "impulse" purchased it, and years later I bought the cheapest drum rack I could find anywhere from them. I've waited for the Drum Shop sale to buy pedals and cymbals at half RRP. I've bought a twenty year old Premier kit from an excellent second hand shop, that money never found its' way to Premier. I've bought Evans heads from Drum Shop primarily because they're lots cheaper than Remo. Ditto why I often buy Stagg American Hickory sticks instead of Vic Firths.
Does any of this mean I'm a bad person responsible for shops closing and should be shot be shot in the face, or is it reflective of what many people do?
It's not cut and dried is the point I hope I'm making.
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luke3030
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
12850 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2012 : 08:53:17
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Originally posted by mully
Our local drum shops rarely have what I want. I COULD drive 120 miles to one that WILL have what I want, and pay dearly for it, but who in their right mind would do that? The shop closest to me has eight drum heads in stock, and a plethora of Stagg sticks. What hell good is that to anyone? Most local shops won't even LET you try before you buy. It's certainly not the first time I've been told "Put that back on the shelf" by some oik in a Metal Hammer t-shirt when I've been looking at a snare/bass pedal/whatever. I well remember the attitude of music shops when I was a young'un, I remember being treated like a f**king nuisance when I asked to see or try a piece of equipment. And I have a long memory. Stop blaming the customers (or potential customers) for all of this. Stephen
100% spot on again. |
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