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MJMelon
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15/08/2012 : 14:22:26
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Quick question guys, I've been using a Remo vintage A (With one piece of moongel) or an standard ambassador (with two pieces of moongel) on my snare, love the sound, but I go through them pretty quickly.
How different sounding are CS heads? Would I lose much tone and increase durability *that* much or would it not really make much of a difference? I use Aquarian heads on the rest of my kit and I love them, but my local drum shop doesn't really stock them. Evans I find a wee bit too plasticy sounding for my snare (Keplinger 14x6.5), though Pat Mastello's Evans/Keplinger combo sounds amazing.
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Yard
Advanced Contributer
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 15/08/2012 : 14:38:53
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What time frame is quickly?
Are you stretching them in properly or is there a dip in the centre? |
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MJMelon
New Contributer
United Kingdom
8 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 14:42:47
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| Stretch them in, use them for about 3/4 practices and 3/4 gigs (4 hour gigs) and the head is fine apart from a 1" circle in the middle that ends up "flabby" and unresponsive, the rest of the head looks brand new, but the bit in the middle (the only bit that gets played really) ends up sounding terrible |
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drumtuningworkshops
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 15:36:30
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Hey MJ, the CS is an Ambassador with a 3 mil patch in the middle...so definately worth a play with....the whole tone of the head is lowered a little and of course it's a bit more durable.
Certainly one of the best selling snare heads around and it will feel more like an Ambassador than a Vintage A if you get what I mean...
I play a CS on my heavy weight steel snare...coupled with a Diplomat Snare side. Great versatile sound at all tunings. The Dip just provides a little more crispness and top end than an Amb when applied to these high mass drums. |
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lee haydn
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2035 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 15:46:40
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| You must thrash that snare dude, never heard of a head lasting such a short time, have you got it at a crazy angle? ie, sloped towards you? |
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MJMelon
New Contributer
United Kingdom
8 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 15:52:35
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Thanks for the responses.
I don't really thrash, I think it's just my technique, I don't really hit it anywhere other than a 1" bit in the middle and that seems to "go" after a short period of time.
I reckon I'll give a CS or an Evans power centre reverse dot a go, see how I get on. |
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wibblylad
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United Kingdom
1224 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 21:04:10
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| It's tuned pretty low then? |
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MJMelon
New Contributer
United Kingdom
8 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 21:38:00
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I wouldn't say it's tuned low, low compared to a pipe band snare yes, but I'd describe it as a "medium" tuning but maybe at the lower end of medium if you get where I'm coming from.
It sort of sounds like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwdjreJKggg |
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wibblylad
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1224 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 23:32:47
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I find that difficult to get my head round....
My batter heads last for ages - I'd say at least 30 gigs. |
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Here's Hoping..... |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
4837 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 23:33:01
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You shouldn't be getting through heads that quick... I'm a loud player at times and get through heads a lot less than that, and I play everyday. What style of music do you play? do you push the stick into the head? are you playing hard because the drum doesn't give you anything? maybe a tuning issue? I noticed guys who don't get the relation of top and bottom head right pummel their snares a lot...
CS heads will dry out the sound a lot. Personally I love them, nice n focused. I think I had the last one on 4/5 months before the coating at the centre came off though? I have a very consistent rim shot too, sticks wear out at the rim shot point well before the tips or shoulder... |
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lee haydn
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2035 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2012 : 23:41:21
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| benji. off topic, (sorry for the hyjack peep's) have you returned my email response? it's just that i know for sure that 2 different people say theyv'e been unable to email me for some reason,, |
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drumtuningworkshops
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 00:26:05
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Originally posted by MJMelon
I reckon I'll give a CS or an Evans power centre reverse dot a go, see how I get on.
Great stuff.
I remember playing a Keplinger...such a rare and amazing shell...it literally tells you how and what it's going to be!
The shell just throws out all this noise...and kind of amplifies the head vibrations. Very similar stuff to the legends like Zildjian Noble...Sonor Bronze Sig...Tama Bell Brass...DW Bronze...and so on...
I would hazard from the responses so far you just have a great powerful technique which goes through heads!
Heads alas are consumables.
And if you don't have an endorsement, a compromise must be drawn between playing style and sound if you like.
I'm sure you could work out a "cost-per-play" ratio...
It's worth adding anyway that pitting is caused by one of the following:
- aggressive angle of tip to head contact (angle of stick 30 degs or more)
- too low a head tension for the stokes being made
- holding the stroke INTO the head on every beat
- high stick height or high velocity stokes
- too thin a head for stokes being made
- too heavy a stick for the type of head
- combination of the above
Sorry though if all this means spending money...!
All the best
Jeff
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/08/2012 : 00:53:45
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quote:
Originally posted by lee haydn
benji. off topic, (sorry for the hyjack peep's) have you returned my email response? it's just that i know for sure that 2 different people say theyv'e been unable to email me for some reason,,
Hi Mr. H, I don't think I have actually, will check my junk. dolbear stuff sometimes finds it's way into there, blinkin hotmail! if in doubt you can always try benjipage (at) me (dot) com |
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mully
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/08/2012 : 08:25:38
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quote:
Originally posted by lee haydn
You must thrash that snare dude, never heard of a head lasting such a short time, have you got it at a crazy angle? ie, sloped towards you?
I'm with Lee here, I use a coated Amb, I hit pretty hard, but a batter head will last me for a few months. I think last time I put a new snare head on was around May. Crazy angle or head pretty slack, maybe?
Stephen |
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percusski
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