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lilerm8302
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 Posted - 16/08/2012 : 21:08:17
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As a drummer, what frustrates you the most?
If nothing, think back to your formative years, what did you have to spend more time on?
Thanks in advance for sharing! |
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metallicpearl
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nickh
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United Kingdom
298 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 21:22:30
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Getting in late from a gig and the missus doesn't want to play the "groupie game"
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Yamaha Maple Custom 30th anniversary ltd. edition
Sonor S class maple
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mully
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United Kingdom
23886 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 21:41:17
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quote:
Originally posted by lilerm8302
As a drummer, what frustrates you the most?
Arseholes getting in my way when I'm carrying gear in or out.
Stephen |
MD Fount of All Wisdom for Life and Extraordinary Amusement Officer of the forum's Sonor Delite Appreciation Society.
"Jayz mully, you're like the Django of the internet!" - scottser on the Drumming Ireland forum |
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MacDB7
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United Kingdom
254 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 22:01:54
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As a rather OCD person...
People helping putting my gear away but doing it wrong.
That probably sounds awful... Getting help should always be appreciated...
It's just unfortunate that everything HAS to be done a certain way... :-( |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
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GrethGBDrums
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United Kingdom
109 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 22:28:54
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| I agree with MacDB7 - I am exactly the same. I like to check everything off as I take it down and put it in it's case! and, when you just set down to do some practice and someone disturbs you. |
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MCMartyP
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751 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 22:43:52
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Two things irritate the hell out of me:
1. As MacDB7 said: 'gear helpers'. If I want help, I'll ask. Nothing personal, I just have a system whether it's setting my drums up or loading my car.
2. My ability and its downward spiral since stopping playing for several years (due to unhappy marriage) and now having a mortgage and therefore a day job. I was a professional player once. Pathetically, in my head I still am; the ideas, the concepts, they're all still there rattling around my noggin. But my hands and feet are a different matter entirely and describing myself as rusty would be a kind way to put it. No longer having the time I want to devote to getting myself back to my former standard is probably the thing that annoys me most in my life. That and knowing in my head what I was and could be again if I had the time.
Sounds arrogant, I know, but a day doesn't pass where this thought doesn't bug me to hell and, just as equally, makes me hate and resent my day job that little bit more. |
Yamaha 9000, '64 L400/Yamaha 8000/Yamaha brass/Premier XPK/Pearl brass piccolo snares, Zildjian A and A Custom dustbin lids, Pearl Eliminator double pedal, Roc 'n' Soc stool and a total lack of practice. |
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MustangMick
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Ireland
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Dan Bear Taylor
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United Kingdom
153 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2012 : 23:14:39
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dogface
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
891 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:24:35
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| People looking for a particular sound from their snare who think they have to buy a particular brand of drum made in a particular era to get it. |
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
6138 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:27:05
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Directly connected to another thread at the moment:
Punters clapping on One and 'kin Three, aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
Official Sugar Daddy of the forum's Sonor Delite appreciation society, as nominated by Jamoca - Honorary President Paul Brook
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scoobydude
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United Kingdom
2485 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:31:35
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quote:
Originally posted by mully
quote:
Originally posted by lilerm8302
As a drummer, what frustrates you the most?
Arseholes getting in my way when I'm carrying gear in or out.
Stephen
This. |
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drummerant
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United Kingdom
1348 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:32:59
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LOADS of things:
as said, packing up WITH people helping (lol) sometimes they even take stuff to your car and dump it outside !?!?! WTF!
People comming in when Im practicing
Not being able to hear the other musicians (lol) on stage
Seeing people with that "gift" who dont seem to practice but just play and tear the floor with it. I love to watch them, but it p1sses me off I practice and see no improvement! |
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alanharvey
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United Kingdom
438 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:51:46
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quote:
Originally posted by mully
quote:
Originally posted by lilerm8302
As a drummer, what frustrates you the most?
Arseholes getting in my way when I'm carrying gear in or out.
Stephen
+100 |
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I should have grown out of this by now.
Loadsa gear, not enough time or talent. |
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Muttzknuttz1
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United Kingdom
1127 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:56:46
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My Banjoist insisting on running his wiring through the legs of my stands...this was recently sorted when after many warnings I just cut one of the cables to his power supply whilst I was packing away!!
he's got the message now! |
Drummer 1st, Wage slave 2nd!
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Sharklaar
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United Kingdom
1840 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 09:58:12
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Same as McMartyP - the requirement for a day job. I really can't stand the rat race and it gets me down occasionally, but well I've got a family to support so it's a necessity.
I'd love to be able to make a living from the music but it ain't that easy of course. |
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hat trick
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United Kingdom
2636 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 13:39:41
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It's the groupies, gets me evertime, pestering you for a good time as you trying to pack up 
then I wake up, very frustrating.
on a more real note, the differculty to learn new things, it's tough being thick  |
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Prog
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United Kingdom
21167 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 13:57:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Muttzknuttz1
My Banjoist insisting on running his wiring through the legs of my stands
I had a guitarist who once put a white power cable over my bass drum. I came back from the toilet to find it atop the shell looking most ugly. I unplugged it and removed it, leaving him wondering why his gear was no longer working.  |
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logic_user99
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United Kingdom
10126 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 15:11:56
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quote:
Originally posted by benjisonfire
not driving.
+1
I hate - some days - not being able to chuck my gear in a car and roll out to a gig or rehearsal. |
Drums | Cymbals | Sticks
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scottser
Very Active Contributer
Ireland
95 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 16:13:12
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| Lippy sound engineers who think they're better and more important than the venue or the band. I've met so many this year that I'm this close to giving the next one a good wedgie for himself. |
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mully
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United Kingdom
23886 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 16:19:04
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Hey Scottster - any luck with the Luddy snare? There are a few Ludwig experts on here who might be able to help you out.
Stephen |
MD Fount of All Wisdom for Life and Extraordinary Amusement Officer of the forum's Sonor Delite Appreciation Society.
"Jayz mully, you're like the Django of the internet!" - scottser on the Drumming Ireland forum |
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Shammy
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United Kingdom
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Jayremedy
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United Kingdom
2683 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 17:30:14
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Band members who think they can stroll on stage way after the rest of the band. In the meantime the crowd just stare at the others wondering what's going on. My bass player and brother is always the last get on stage to pick up his instrument like it's a competition. Last week I was wondering where he was this time and spot him in the car park smoking, Winds me up
As Mully, they see you, as us welshies say "straching" with some gear and just look at you then just look away.
Lift in which consist of going through the kitchens of a hotel then up some stairs through some winding corridors then into a room where you spot some external double doors by the stage.
Lift ins with metal steps in the rain.
I could go on...
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Dan Jacobs
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Cardiacs955i
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United Kingdom
1633 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 18:03:32
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Not being able to practice on a real kit...mesh heads just aren't close enough, especially with toms.
Still learning to read, getting there slowly...
Lack of money, even just petrol money sometimes, for originals bands
as to drumming itself: good clean doubles & relaxing those hands.
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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United Kingdom
6186 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 18:37:53
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I wish more drummers were involved in the song writing process.
Example: Even though Greg Bisonette* has explained to me why his brother get's most of the credit for his* CD, I still disagree.
Well done to:
Billy Cobham
Neil Peart
Virgil Donati
+ a other drummers who receive the credit for their part(s) of the song. |
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Steevo114
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United Kingdom
359 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 18:43:50
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| No 1 .Guitarists widdling while other people are setting up, no-one wants to be subtly reminded that they can play thehard bit from( insert song) . It dilutes the drama when we do start playing. |
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Mark W
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United Kingdom
1120 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 18:54:45
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Originally posted by Steevo114
No 1 .Guitarists widdling while other people are setting up, no-one wants to be subtly reminded that they can play thehard bit from( insert song) . It dilutes the drama when we do start playing.
A massive PLUS ONE!
It absolutely undermines the subsequent performance (especially if they strum out songs that are in the set) and if I was a punter out for the night I'd be well dis chuffed having to sit through a guitarist subjecting me to an excruciatingly loud ego trip just because he can.
I've NEVER witnessed a drummer belting away at their kit during set up.
Cheers
Mark W |
Once I've hit it, it stays hit.
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Prog
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United Kingdom
21167 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2012 : 19:03:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark W
I've NEVER witnessed a drummer belting away at their kit during set up.
I have once, but he was quite young. He'd set his kit up for a pub gig and couldn't stop playing. Lots of people left, me included. |
Funktion Junction, coming soon to a holiday park near you - http://www.funktionjunctionband.com |
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Rhythm and Blooze
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Tex
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United Kingdom
1582 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2012 : 02:57:44
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"Helpers" taking the kit in and putting the carpet on top of the pile of (full) drum cases which are on top of the place you want to put the carpet first. And when you start moving the drum cases out of the way the "helpers" ie the band then move the cases even further away from the place where you need them meaning that you have to drag every piece back thru their leads and amps and boxes of spare speakers and mic stands and girlfriends and parents and the buggers who must ask "'S Dissaband liychkE?".
And what's this religion of doorstanding at the end of the night? Have venues had giant magnets installed in the doorways or what? A great big empty room, thru the door is the great outdoors and 100 dickwads in the doorway!
I usually nobble a few with the traps case. AOP. Acc on purpose. |
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JFK
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United Kingdom
548 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2012 : 12:56:40
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When trying to learn a new song that involves a complicated bit you are not really sure of and being told by the others to 'just hit something'.
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Shaggi
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/08/2012 : 15:26:00
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Definitely arseholes in the way when you're trying to carry your gear out!
You ask them to move, they eventually do after a bit of jeering. They immediately move back into the way and are shocked when 30 seconds later you ask them to move again ... and again ... and again ... and again ... |
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DeadSet
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United Kingdom
197 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2012 : 17:04:42
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quote:
Originally posted by JFK
When trying to learn a new song that involves a complicated bit you are not really sure of and being told by the others to 'just hit something'.
I'm with you on this one. Used to happen often with our old guitarist - he thought he was being helpful, but what I heard was, 'it doesn't matter what you play, what I'm playing is more important'. |
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djohnson1974
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United Kingdom
406 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2012 : 17:07:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Sharklaar
Same as McMartyP - the requirement for a day job. I really can't stand the rat race and it gets me down occasionally, but well I've got a family to support so it's a necessity.
I'd love to be able to make a living from the music but it ain't that easy of course.
BIG +1
Also
Getting gigs. It seems to be getting harder and harder every year! |
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scottser
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Ireland
95 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2012 : 15:49:21
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quote:
Originally posted by mully
Hey Scottster - any luck with the Luddy snare? There are a few Ludwig experts on here who might be able to help you out.
Stephen
I'm resizing the photos I took so's it'll be a bit easier to see what I'm on about. I'll have them up here and DI over the weekend. Just so I'm not thread spoiling, my Luddy snare is causing me no end of frustration! |
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Mark W
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/08/2012 : 16:56:51
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quote:
Originally posted by JFK
When trying to learn a new song that involves a complicated bit you are not really sure of and being told by the others to 'just hit something'.
Or when another band member holds their arms up, moves them slowly back & forwards in a miming action & says something along the lines of "just go drrrrr d d d d drrrrr" where drrrrr d d d d drrrrr is a convenient shorthand meaning do a fill along the lines of something phenomenal that even Dave Lombardo/Scott Travis/Mike Portnoy/*insert name of highly skilled Metal Drummer* would struggle to pull off.
Cheers,
Mark W. |
Once I've hit it, it stays hit.
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nickh
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United Kingdom
298 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2012 : 17:45:05
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^^^^^^^. That.
When the guitarist gives his best vocal rendition of what you should play and then expects you to play it, immediately and correctly.
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Tex
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/08/2012 : 17:13:39
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Originally posted by nickh
^^^^^^^. That.
When the guitarist gives his best vocal rendition of what you should play and then expects you to play it, immediately and correctly.
And for your drums to immediately assume the exact sound of the highly treated and gated drums on the record. |
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/08/2012 : 17:21:26
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| I get very frustrated with TV coverage of music, if you get to see drummers or percussionists at all the shots are generally very badly composed so you can rarely see what the drummer or the instruments look like or what they are doing. A 1/4 of a second close up of a drumstick is sometimes all they show. |
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mully
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/08/2012 : 17:28:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark W
quote:
Originally posted by JFK
When trying to learn a new song that involves a complicated bit you are not really sure of and being told by the others to 'just hit something'.
Or when another band member holds their arms up, moves them slowly back & forwards in a miming action & says something along the lines of "just go drrrrr d d d d drrrrr" where drrrrr d d d d drrrrr is a convenient shorthand meaning do a fill along the lines of something phenomenal that even Dave Lombardo/Scott Travis/Mike Portnoy/*insert name of highly skilled Metal Drummer* would struggle to pull off.
Cheers,
Mark W.
What sort of idiots do some of you guys play with? Someone who DOESN'T play the drums is telling someone who DOES play the drums what to play?
Stephen |
MD Fount of All Wisdom for Life and Extraordinary Amusement Officer of the forum's Sonor Delite Appreciation Society.
"Jayz mully, you're like the Django of the internet!" - scottser on the Drumming Ireland forum |
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wibblylad
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United Kingdom
1205 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2012 : 18:32:32
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Drummers who come along to watch and are critical of your performance/kit sound.
Usually, these types are not top-flight players but they can 'talk a good drum'.
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Wannabebonzo
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United Kingdom
160 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2012 : 20:38:22
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Drummer frustrations? Last night's gig!
We were asked to headline a line up of original bands, 4 support acts were advertised, as well as us, and we were scheduled to on around 11pm. A bit later than we normally would but hey ho, a gigs a gig.
We arrived in good time, around 8pm, not realising that we should have been there at about 6pm for soundcheck. No worries, we keep it fairly simple so can get by without a soundcheck.
Then the fun starts!
On checking with man on the door taking the money we notice there are 7, not 4, support acts! A quick calculation reveals that we are not goinh on until about 12.30am, especially when you factor in the amount dilly-dallying from the other bands whilst setting up / breaking down their kit.
The venue is not very busy to begin with, and , as each band has played they pretty much all packed up their gear and left, taking their mates with them. Consequently we played to about 6 of our friends and hardly anybody else.
On completion of our set, the sound engineer and the man on the door both disappeared, and with no promoter to hand we had no idea who was going to pay us. In fact it seemed that there was no one around 'in charge'of the night, and the mix of different bands was poorly thought out and the running order could have been better. If i had paid to see the show that night i would have been disappointed.
We left several phone messages for the promoter but have heard nothing yet.
Is this a normal occurence for this type of event? |
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Captain Bubble
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Tex
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/08/2012 : 23:06:08
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On checking with man on the door taking the money we notice there are 7, not 4, support acts!
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Time for immediate exit.
Quite familiar? Not to me it isn't. Maybe we need more "how to get a paying gig" teachers and less music teachers.
First lesson; If you can't get a paying gig then you're doing something awfully wrong.
Second; Attract an audience instead of taking them (family hostages)with you. |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 26/08/2012 : 07:32:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Tex
On checking with man on the door taking the money we notice there are 7, not 4, support acts!
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Time for immediate exit.
Quite familiar? Not to me it isn't. Maybe we need more "how to get a paying gig" teachers and less music teachers.
First lesson; If you can't get a paying gig then you're doing something awfully wrong.
Second; Attract an audience instead of taking them (family hostages)with you.
I mean it is quite a familiar scenario, and one that always had me cancelling at the slightest hint of extra bands and bill-topping. Promoters do this to try to get as many people in as possible. To them it does not matter if each band leaves with its 5-10 followers as long as there are some puters there buying drinks until shut down, but for the "headline" band it is a very poor deal. The sad thing is that relatively few people go out to see new bands, so this sort of thing, and Band Battles, is what promoters tend to do to try and make money. You cannot blame them, but for me it's "Walk away" time.
Another approach is to do theses gigs, treat them as a rehearsal without a rehearsal studio fee, and a chance to work on your stage act. |
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Mark W
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United Kingdom
1120 Posts |
Posted - 26/08/2012 : 11:21:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Wannabebonzo
Drummer frustrations? Last night's gig!
We were asked to headline a line up of original bands, 4 support acts were advertised, as well as us, and we were scheduled to on around 11pm. A bit later than we normally would but hey ho, a gigs a gig.
We arrived in good time, around 8pm, not realising that we should have been there at about 6pm for soundcheck. No worries, we keep it fairly simple so can get by without a soundcheck.
Then the fun starts!
On checking with man on the door taking the money we notice there are 7, not 4, support acts! A quick calculation reveals that we are not goinh on until about 12.30am, especially when you factor in the amount dilly-dallying from the other bands whilst setting up / breaking down their kit.
The venue is not very busy to begin with, and , as each band has played they pretty much all packed up their gear and left, taking their mates with them. Consequently we played to about 6 of our friends and hardly anybody else.
On completion of our set, the sound engineer and the man on the door both disappeared, and with no promoter to hand we had no idea who was going to pay us. In fact it seemed that there was no one around 'in charge'of the night, and the mix of different bands was poorly thought out and the running order could have been better. If i had paid to see the show that night i would have been disappointed.
We left several phone messages for the promoter but have heard nothing yet.
Is this a normal occurence for this type of event?
I've done ONE multi band charity gig in my life which ran like an absolute dream because the organiser was the drummer with the headlining band and imposed a rigid timetable.
If invited to play again by him I'll be in like a flash. However, much like the Captain, any hint of letting someone else have half an hour/well meaning but not organised charity gigs etc and I won't get involved.
Cheers
Mark W |
Once I've hit it, it stays hit.
http://www.theenzymes.co.uk |
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